Andrew Leigh

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TELEVISION INTERVIEW

ABC NEWS BREAKFAST

TUESDAY, 30 MAY 2017

Subjects: Bad banking behaviour, Labor’s plans to crack down on phoenix activity, Treasury forecasts.

MICHAEL ROWLAND: Let’s go to Canberra now and higher penalties as well as a register of company directors are being proposed by Labor to crack down on so-called phoenix insolvencies

VIRGINIA TRIOLI: The federal opposition says it will ensure workers, the tax office and creditors don’t lose out. Andrew Leigh is the Shadow Assistant Treasurer and joins us now from Parliament House. Andrew Leigh, good morning.

ANDREW LEIGH, SHADOW ASSISTANT TREASURER: Good morning, Virginia.

TRIOLI: We will get to your proposals in a moment, but I’m interested in a story that popped up overnight - the government appearing to be doubling down on banking executives, giving the banking regulator new powers to deregister executives who engage in so-called scandalous behaviour, including drug taking apparently, that have failed to meet what they call community standards. Do you think it is a good idea?

LEIGH: Virginia, we'll scrutinise the detail when we see it. At the moment, it’s just a media drop to a tabloid newspaper. But it comes from a government that has been doing its level best to protect the banks over the recent years. They’ve been offering the big banks a company tax cut that will be worth $7 billion to them and they’ve been shielding them from a Royal Commission, despite the plethora of scandals that Australians have seen occurring at big banks over recent years. Bill Shorten is committed to a Banking Royal Commission. Malcolm Turnbull wants to give the bank executives a slap on the wrist.

TRIOLI: Well, I don’t think this is a slap on the wrist. Do you think it’s a good idea?

LEIGH: We’ll wait and see the detail, as I said.

TRIOLI: The detail, as I describe it, does that prima facie look like a good idea?

LEIGH: We’ll scrutinise the legislation, as you’d expect a sensible opposition to do. But it’s no substitute for a Royal Commission, which is a chance for the victims to tell their stories, to look systematically at some of the issues within the banking sector - the major issue of vertical integration for example - and to scrutinise how we can make sure that our banking system remains strong.

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TV INTERVIEW

SKY AM AGENDA

MONDAY, 29 MAY 2017

Subject/s: Paris Climate Accord; Climate Policy; Healthcare Funding.

KIERAN GILBERT: With me now is Labor frontbencher, Andrew Leigh. There has been a lot of speculation around Donald Trump, he's apparently told people close to him that the US will indeed pull out of the Paris Climate Accord as expected. The Government are pushing ahead with its targets on a broad policy sense you'd welcome although you'd disagree with the mechanism by which they want to get there?

ANDREW LEIGH, SHADOW ASSISTANT TREASURER: Well, Kieran the Government has no plans beyond 2020 and it's rejecting an Emissions Intensity Scheme which every expert supports. State Governments, the Business Council of Australia, the National Farmers Federation support an Emissions Intensity Scheme. It’s supported by the Australian Energy Markets Commission, by Prime Minister Turnbull's former energy adviser, the CSIRO, the Chief Scientist and of course Labor. So by putting their head in the sand on an Emissions Intensity Scheme the Turnbull Government are overseeing not only rising electricity sector emissions but also fast rising energy prices. We're paying more for electricity and having higher climate emissions as a result of Malcolm Turnbull still being captive to the far right of his party.

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RADIO INTERVIEW

5AA

WEDNESDAY, 24 MAY 2017

Subjects: Labor’s plans to tackle phoenixing activity, ATO arrests, charities and transparency

JEREMY CORDEAUX: Phoenixing – it’s a lovely word, isn’t it? Phoenixing, phoenixing, phoenixing. Phoenixing companies. I was talking about it at the beginning of the program – it’s about stripping the assets of a company, going bankrupt, scamming all the creditors – including the ATO – then starting up the company again, down the road maybe or maybe in the same place, I don’t know, and doing it all over again. It’s just too easy and too attractive and it shouldn’t, somebody should’ve done something about this a long time ago.

Somebody who feels very strongly about it is Dr Andrew Leigh. He’s the Shadow Assistant Treasurer and he’s got a whole pile of other things he’s responsible for. I personally think he should be the leader of the opposition, but that’s just me. How are you, Dr?

ANDREW LEIGH, SHADOW ASSISTANT TREASURER: Very well, though I have to disagree of course Jeremy – I think Bill is doing a fantastic job as our leader.

CORDEAUX: Well, you would say that. I just think you can run rings around just about everybody in parliament, frankly, but anyway.

LEIGH: Very kind of you.

CORDEAUX: That’s just me. Now, this phoenixing thing – how come this has been allowed for so long?

LEIGH: Well, beats me. I mean, phoenix operators are ripping off taxpayers, ripping off workers and most of all they’re ripping off decent small business owners. There was a bloke called Daniel O’Connell, a plumber in regional Victoria who lost $200,000 to a phoenix operator called Global Contracting, who left him and another 300 creditors out of pocket when they took the money and moved it to a different company.

There’s a team of experts at Melbourne University and Monash who have been working on phoenix policy for the last three years and have come up with a bunch of sensible recommendations, including the straightforward idea that we should have a director identification number, so directors can’t pretend to be a different person when they get shut down and then want to go back into business.

CORDEAUX: No, I couldn’t agree more. It’s such a simple way of handing it. If you’re the director of a company - and it’s very easy to set up a company and it’s very easy to become a director – it should be that there is some sort of accountability or tracking mechanism.

LEIGH: And the strange thing, Jeremy, is that it’s easier at the moment to become a director than to open a bank account. We’ve had praise for our proposal today coming not only from the ACTU, but also from former ACT Liberal leader Kate Carnell. We’ve had the Australian Institute of Company Directors saying that they support a director identification number.

CORDEAUX: What do the Liberals say?

LEIGH: Well, they say they’re looking into it, but they’ve been dragging their heels on this one and meanwhile honest businesses are getting ripped off. Phoenix operators are able to run rampant in the economy, particularly in areas like construction and labour hire and they’re giving good directors a bad name and they’re ripping off honest workers.

CORDEAUX: The areas that sort of get feedback on are car, people in the car business, the car industry, the cleaning contractors, the building industry is almost infamous for this type of thing.

LEIGH: That’s right. We all know the myth of a phoenix, a bird that’s magically reborn from its ashes. But there’s nothing magical about these phoenix operators. They’re the lowest of the low because they they’re taking advantage of people’s trust and then leaving others out of pocket to pick up the pieces. Trying to take the assets, strip them out of one company and put them in the next one. We might not be able to eliminate all phoenixing, but straightforward measures such as raising the penalties, getting the standard of proof right and getting the director identification number will make a big difference.

CORDEAUX: Yes, that should just whiz though, for god’s sake. Everybody should be favour of that unless you’re a crook.

LEIGH: I certainly hope it will. We’re encouraging the government to take this up and frankly the thing about politics Jeremy is that we don’t mind who takes the credit, so long as the change gets done. So long as we can get this important change in place and protect people like Daniel O’Connell.

FLAT WRONG

HuffPost, 25 May 2017

If you have to blame anyone, blame Napoleon.

In response to the young French general’s early military successes, Britain in 1798 imposed the world’s first progressive income tax, with rates ranging from 1 percent to 10 percent. To save the English from having to speak French, Prime Minister William Pitt the Younger decided that the rich shouldn’t just pay more money, but actually pay a higher rate.

Today, there are a handful of countries that levy flat income taxes. In Russia, for example, all income taxpayers pay 13 per cent. But in most nations, taxes are progressive, meaning that the more you earn, the higher rate you pay. When the Beatles sang ‘Taxman’, they were complaining about the fact that their success had pushed them into the top tax bracket, where they paid a marginal rate of 95 per cent.

Unfortunately, when it comes to discussing Turnbull Government’s Medicare Levy increase, a surprising number of political commentators today seem to be confusing flat and progressive taxes.

Liberal Senator Scott Ryan thundered 'The top tax bracket - $180,000 and above – seven per cent of all income earners or just under, they’ll pay 27 per cent of the increase in the Medicare levy so it is highly progressive.'

Commentator Mungo MacCallum observed  'raising the Medicare levy, which in fact means an overall tax increase, is sensible policy, and, crucially it is fair.It is not a flat-rate, across-the-board, slug'.

An editorial in The Australian claimed  'Scott Morrison proposed lifting the Medicare levy from 2 per cent to 2.5 per cent from 2019 to meet the NDIS shortfall identified by the government. However unwelcome for taxpayers, that strategy at least affirmed “we are all in this together”. The levy is a progressive tax.'

All of them are wrong. When you ask a hairdresser and a surgeon to each pay 0.5 percent of their income, that’s a flat tax. 

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3AW RADIO

WEDNESDAY, 24 MAY 2017

Subject/s: Cracking down on dodgy company directors 

TOM ELLIOT: Ok, phoenix companies – the Labor Party today has released a policy suggesting how they would deal with the problem posed by phoenix businesses, where businesses suddenly go out of business owing a lot of money and pop up again under a new corporate guise. Joining us on the line now is Shadow Assistant Treasurer Dr Andrew Leigh. Dr Leigh, good afternoon

ANDREW LEIGH, SHADOW ASSISTANT TREASURER: Good afternoon Tom, great to be with you again.

ELLIOT: Thank you for joining us. I’ve read your media release on what you would do with phoenix companies. Maybe you could just outline the few steps that you want to take?

LEIGH: Well, Tom, the biggest challenge in phoenixing is the risk that directors pop up again and again. They get barred and then they go back on and set up again pretending to be a different director. The reason they can do that is that it’s currently easier to register as a director than open a bank account. So our proposal is a director identification number, something which has been recommended by the Productivity Commission, Monash and Melbourne Universities, supported by the Australian Institute of Company Directors. It was indeed supported today by the small business ombudsperson. It’s a measure which makes it harder for dodgy directors to rip off firms and workers and taxpayers.

ELLIOT: Ok, well, I agree because I’m a director of a number of companies and pretty much all you do is say your name and address and away you go. So you’re asking to show my passport and my driver’s license and whatever else. Do you think that will actually change things very much?

LEIGH: It certainly provides a first line of defence, which is why all of these organisations have been calling for some time for director identification numbers. Tom, I’ve frankly been flabbergasted the government hasn’t moved on this. University experts have been putting out reports for the past three years.

WHO SUPPORTS LABOR’S PLAN FOR A DIRECTOR IDENTIFICATION NUMBER,
TO CRACK DOWN ON PHOENIX COMPANIES?

Organisations that support Labor’s proposed Director Identification Number, to help catch dodgy directors of fraudulent phoenix companies:

• Australian Institute of Company Directors
• Australian Small Business and Family Enterprise Ombudsman
• Productivity Commission
• Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry
• Master Builders Australia
• Australian Council of Trade Unions
• Australian Restructuring Insolvency and Turnaround Association
• Phoenix Project, comprising experts from Melbourne University Law School and Monash University Business School

Groups that have not yet indicated their support for a Director Identification Number:

• The Turnbull Government

THURSDAY, 25 MAY 2017

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DOORSTOP

PARLIAMENT HOUSE, CANBERRA

WEDNESDAY, 24 MAY 2017

SUBJECT/S: Labor’s policy to crack down on dodgy directors; regulation of labour hire.

BRENDAN O'CONNOR, SHADOW MINISTER FOR EMPLOYMENT: I'm here with the Shadow Assistant Treasurer, Andrew Leigh and we're announcing a Labor policy to crackdown on abuse by directors and the real problems associated with phoenixing in this country. There has been too little done by the Turnbull Government to crackdown on misconduct by directors who seek to strip away assets from a company to avoid their obligations to pay creditors, in particular to pay workers who deserve those entitlements. And for that reason, Labor is announcing a suite of reforms that will provide greater accountability and transparency of directors, higher penalties if there are breaches and indeed a better way of ensuring that workers’ entitlements are paid to them. 

EXPOSING DODGY DIRECTORS

Today, Labor has announced a Shorten Labor Government will act to protect employees and small businesses from dodgy phoenix activity through a package of reforms.

Labor will crack down on dodgy directors who engage in ‘phoenix activity’, where they deliberately burn companies in an attempt to avoid their obligations to employees, government and honest businesses.

The package will see employees and business owners benefit from new enforcement tools for the Australian Securities and Investments Commission, tightened laws protecting employee entitlements, and harsher penalties to deter and punish insidious phoenix activity.

The Liberal's Plan to Decentralise the National Capital 

Monday 22 May, 2017

Prior to the 2013 election, the coalition pledged that no more than 12,000 public service jobs would go. We heard very clearly from the member for Sturt:

There is no ambiguity about the coalition's position … if elected, we will reduce the Commonwealth Public Service by 12,000 through natural attrition.

The then Leader of the Liberal Party, the member for Warringah, said:

I really want to stress that we are not talking about forced redundancies. We are talking about not replacing everyone who leaves; that's all.

Since the election of the coalition we have seen anything but. We have seen people forced out of their jobs, agencies sent interstate—in the case of the Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority, to the electorate of the minister responsible for managing that agency, despite the fact that a cost-benefit study showed it was a bad deal for the taxpayer. According to figures from the Community and Public Sector Union, the latest budget sees staffing reductions in 17 of the 25 agencies that they analysed.

CANBERRA DESERVES BETTER

Inside Canberra, 19 May 2017

Canberra got a dud deal from the Coalition’s 2017 budget. In at least five significant ways, the bush capital will be left worse off as a result of deliberate decisions by the Turnbull Government.

First, one of Canberra’s largest export earners is education, with university teaching and research vital to sustaining the ACT economy. Cutting $2.7 billion from universities in addition to the 2.5 per cent efficiency dividend and lowering the repayment threshold for HELP loans will hold back important institutions like the University of Canberra, the Australian National University, ACU (Canberra) and UNSW (Canberra).

Second, the Turnbull Government’s own budget papers show that they are ripping $22 billion from schools. ACT schools are the hardest hit in the country. Annual average growth rate in per student funding is only 1.6 per cent for the ACT over the decade, compared with 4.1 per cent growth for Australia as a whole. Tanya Plibersek, our Shadow Education Minister, has pledged that a Labor Government will reverse every single cent of the $22 billion cut. We won’t be giving a $65 billion handout to big business. Instead, we will be investing in our nation’s schools.