Breaking Politics - 5 August 2013
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BREAKING POLITICS WITH TIM LESTER (watch video)
Andrew Leigh
Member for Fraser
MONDAY 5 AUGUST 2013
TOPICS: First full day of campaigning, Political donations, School funding
Tim Lester: Kelly O’Dwyer, Liberal MP in the Melbourne electorate of Higgins and Labor MP here in Fraser, Andrew Leigh, welcome to Breaking Politics on our first election campaign edition. Kelly, first to you, how does it feel now that we’ve got a contest on?
Kelly O’Dwyer: Well, look I think it’s terrific that Kevin Rudd has finally named a date, and no longer are the union heavies and Labor hacks going to decide who the Prime Minister is, but instead, the Australian people will get a chance on the seventh of September who it is that they want to lead the nation, which team they have trust in to better build our economy and our country and we’re going to learn that on the seventh of September. I got off to a flying start last night, Reverend Tim Costello conducted a town hall meeting with me, Anna Burke and the Greens candidate for Kooyong, for a number of electorates getting together, and we had a packed town hall meeting. So it’s been busy for day one.
TL; Ok, and Andrew Leigh, your sense, when you heard the Prime Minister was on his way to the Governor General yesterday, delighted, or not.
Andrew Leigh: I share Kelly’s enthusiasm for the political process, Tim, and I would say to any young person, in particular, who’s not on the rolls, you’ve now got that seven-day window to sign up, and it’s so important that everyone has their say. This is an election which is about big choices for Australia, we’ve just seen Victoria sign up to the Better Schools Plan, so now four out of five Australian kids are signed on to that. Western Australia’s signed on to DisabilityCare so that now covers almost all of Australia and we’re seeing big reforms through the National Broadband Network, and through historic investments in roads and infrastructure going out across Australia, so it’s a big election, big choices for Australia.
Tim Lester: Not just sign up to get ready to vote, but the pressure is on from both parties to chip in, put your hand in your pocket and help fund the campaigns. How do you feel about that tendency in Australian politics, Kelly O’Dwyer, that the major parties are saying ‘help us buy our advertising and tell you how to vote?
Kelly O’Dwyer: Well look, democracy’s an expensive business, and we don’t have the union movement, or the industry superannuation funds to help contribute to our campaign, they contribute exclusively to the Labor Party, to the tune of multi millions of dollars so we do have to ask ordinary Australians to put their hand in their pocket, and happily for us, many of them do, not only in terms of putting their hands in their pockets but many of them also volunteer their time and we are very very grateful for that. They do it because they know it’s important for Australia, that we need to change direction dramatically, that this government, that it bleeding three billion dollars a week in only ten weeks since they last delivered the budget is making sure that Australia is totally trended in the wrong direction. That needs to change and that it what Australian will decide on the seventh of September.
Tim Lester: Now the implication I what you just said there is that the Liberal Party doesn’t do nearly as well from donors as the Australian Labor Party, yet that’s counter to Kevin Rudd’s message yesterday of near poverty against the Liberal Party, you need to help us otherwise… if you want us to win, what’s the truth as you see it, Andrew Leigh?
Andrew Leigh: Certainly Tim we know that the Coalition is being supported by tobacco companies, we haven’t taken their donations for nearly ten years now, a period in which the Coalition has taken $2 million from tobacco companies. I think that might be part of the reason that Mr Abbott mentioned the increase in tobacco excise in kicking off yesterday. We also know that big mining companies whose taxes Mr Abbott has also promised to reduce are disproportionately donors to the coalition, as are a big polluters, also a group that Mr Abbott has promised to cut their taxes. So there are these big vested interests in politics, but certainly I agree with Kelly that the lifeblood of politics is the people that help you out in the street. I’m very grateful to the volunteers who have spent many months working with me in our doorknocking, letterboxing, telephoning campaigns and will be out on the streets of north Canberra in the coming weeks with me.
Tim Lester: Kelly O’Dwyer, how much do vested interests, big vested interests have a say in the decision-making of the Liberal Party because they donate, the implication that Andrew was just making.
Kelly O’Dwyer: Well maybe Andrew’s talking from ALP experience because of cause the union movement has an incredibly big say in how the ALP operates, and the decisions that the Prime Minister ultimately makes. They have such a big say that saw them tear down one Prime Minister, and reinstall another. This is the truth of the Labor Party and how they operate, the union movement have got votes in pre-selection campaigns, they contribute money to those campaigns so they have an incredibly big say and we’ve seen quite a lot of union-sponsored legislation passed through the Parliament. But I think it’s also interesting to note that if you want to talk about where the ALP gets its money, it certainly gets its money from the Health Services Union, where we have seen huge scandals, not only in connection with a current sitting Labor Member of Parliament, but also with a number of leaders of the labour movement, people who have been president of the Labor Party only in the last couple of years so I think it is quite a strange accusation from Andrew Leigh, and all I would say to him is that you probably ought to look at the history of the Labor Party and the union movement and the grubby deals that have been done and you need to look no further than New South Wales Labor to know that it is a complete rat-infested nest.
Tim Lester: Just before we leave you on this issue, though Kelly O’Dwyer, specifically on the question of tobacco and its potential influence in Liberal Party policymaking, what do you say?
Kelly O’Dwyer: Well they have no influence in Liberal party policymaking, and to make that kind of accusation, and allegation is just dishonest.
Tim Lester: Ok, Andrew Leigh?
Andrew Leigh: Tim I’d much rather be supported by representatives of workers’ interests who are responsible for the eight-hour day, for annual leave, for a fairer, more family-friendly workplace, and for safer rates to keep our roads safer than to be receiving large amounts of money from tobacco firms, which are marketing basically the only legal product in Australia, that kills half its users if used as intended.
Tim Lester: Just to touch on policy before we leave you, the Gonski announcement re negotiations with Victoria over the weekend, Kelly O’Dwyer, what does it say that a Liberal state government has warmed to a deal with the Federal Government on education funding, has accepted the Federal Government’s formula this close to a Federal Election in spite of all the angst this might have caused federal Liberals?
Kelly O’Dwyer: Well it’s a completely different deal, I think that’s the first and most critical point to note, it’s not the Gonski deal, in fact, none of the deals that have been put to the states and territories are in fact what Gonski recommended. Gonski recommended in his report, six point five billion dollars each and every year in new funding for schools. They have never once proposed that, so never have they been looking to implement the Gonski recommendations. They deal that they put initially to the states and territories cut three hundred million dollars of funding over four years to schools, they deal that they are now putting to states and territories is to increase some of the funding they’ve been doing special deals with each state and territory and we’ve said, well if you’re comfortable that you’re going to provide more money for schools that we would in fact sign up to that, and that’s what we’ve done.
Tim Lester: Andrew Leigh, what do you think it says that the Victorian and Federal Governments have managed a deal, right at the eleventh hour before we go into the election campaign caretaker period?
Andrew Leigh: I think It’s terrific that the Victorians have come on board with this Tim, we know the old school funding model is broken, everyone except Mr Abbott I think, understands that, and we’ve now managed to strike a deal that covers about eighty per cent of Australian kids, signing up five of the eight Australian jurisdictions, the independent sector and the Catholic sector, because I think people recognise that it’s time to have a funding model which is based on the needs of the students, which provides more money to remote, Indigenous and disadvantaged kids, and make sure that every Australian school can be a great school. But yet Mr Abbott has described this as a con, the same term he used to describe climate change. I just think it’s time he brought out an education policy maybe at the time he brought out a health policy, and was very clear about whether or not he was willing to put in this funding, and if so, how he’ll make the target saving to do it - because government is about choices.
Tim Lester: But he has brought out an education policy to the extent that he has accepted your funding levels, hasn’t he? I mean surely you welcome that?
Andrew Leigh: If Mr Abbott was signing onto the better schools plan rather than calling it a con, Tim, I’d be delighted to accept that, but it’s very unclear where Mr Abbott and Mr Pyne stand on this. They’ve spent the last couple of years trashing the school funding deal, standing by the old, broken funding system, which contains old grandfathering clauses from more than a decade ago and really not recognising that in making sure our school systems are run best in the world is the most important productivity measure we can put in place.
Tim Lester: Kelly O’Dwyer to close, perhaps you might tell us how you feel about what appears from the surface, at least, was quite a sharp about-face from Mr Abbott on education funding to accept Labor’s formula, at least in terms of funding, lock, stock and barrel.
Kelly O’Dwyer: First let me say, you did sound rather negative there Andrew, and I’d hate to think that you’re playing the politics of negativity there, but let me respond to the question that Tim just put, do we need to provide a solid stable funding level for schools to ensure that they can plan in security in the knowledge as to the funds that they have year on year, the answer to that of course is yes. The latest funding iteration that has been put by the government is very, very different to the first iteration and I think that Andrew should be very upfront about and be clear that this is very different to the first plan that was put to Australian schools, very different to the plan that was first put to the independent school sector, the Catholic school sector and the state school sector as well. That is why we have said we are comfortable with what has now put and we will provide the security that schools need to plan with confidence.
Tim Lester: Kelly O’Dwyer in Melbourne, Andrew Leigh here in Canberra, I look forward to discussions throughout the campaign.
Andrew Leigh: May it all be positive, Tim.
Kelly O’Dwyer: Terrific.
Sky AM Agenda - 5 August 2013
On Sky AM Agenda today, I spoke with host Kieran Gilbert and Liberal MP Steve Ciobo about the government's positive plans for managing the economic transition and the Coalition's reluctance to release properly costed policies.
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Excising the Habit
My op-ed in today's Canberra Times looks at the impact of tobacco excise on reducing lung cancer deaths.
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Coughers to cough up for coffers or excise the habit, Canberra Times, 2 August 2013
One of the most poignant emails I’ve received from a constituent read as follows:
‘My great-grandfather, grandfather, father and one of my uncles all died from smoking-related conditions. Each of the latter three died 20-30 years before the life expectancy for their generation. My father’s addiction contributed to two decades of poor health prior to his premature death, resulting in frequent periods where he was unable to work.
‘My siblings and I grew up in poverty, the effects of which are still evident, and the taxpayer bore the cost of his many hospitalisations as well as the cumulative years of income support our family depended on in lieu of employment. I say this so that you will understand my absence of sympathy for the “principle argument”, that tobacco companies have a right to make a profit from pushing legal drugs.’
I thought of this constituent with the announcement that the government will increase the excise on tobacco by 12.5 per cent each year over the next four years, with some of the money to be spent on building new cancer treatment facilities.
Few taxes are popular, but tobacco excise has been one of Australia’s most effective health policies. Since 1977, the share of adults who smoke daily has fallen from 37 per cent to 16 per cent.
One reason that tobacco excise is so effective is that higher prices particularly impact the behaviour of younger smokers – discouraging them from taking up smoking, or providing a stronger incentive to kick the habit.
We know the score when it comes to long-term smoking. The hacking cough, breathlessness, fatigue, chest infections and bloody phlegm.
We also know what happens when you stop smoking. Immediately, you smell better and your hair and clothes are no longer infused with the stench of stale smoke. In a week, most of the nicotine has left your body and your sense of taste has improved. You gain so much more enjoyment from a meal or drink. An ex-smoker tells me she could finally drink herbal tea.
Medicos tell us that a month after quitting, better blood flow has improved your skin. People notice that you’re looking healthier. Three months down the track, your lung function has increased by 30 per cent. Suddenly walking and running become much easier. One year without a cigarette and your risk of heart attack has halved. You’ve also got noticeably more cash in your pocket. Ex-smokers describe quitting smoking as the best thing you’ll ever do.
If tobacco had been discovered today, it’s unlikely that most developed countries would legalise it. Uniquely, smoking is harmful even in small doses. This makes it unlike other legal vices, which can be consumed in moderation. The occasional double whiskey or deep-fried Mars Bar won’t kill you – but as the ad says ‘every cigarette brings cancer closer’.
No other legal product – when consumed as directed – ends up killing half of its users. Smoking kills over 15,000 Australians every year, or about one person every half hour. It is responsible for the vast majority of lung cancer cases.
Increasing tobacco excise is a progressive health measure. The smoking rate is considerably higher for disadvantaged groups: 24 per cent among people living in disadvantaged areas, 47 per cent among Indigenous Australians, and 38 per cent among the unemployed. Smokers in these groups also consume up to a fifth more cigarettes than the average smoker.
Reducing smoking will help non-smokers. We know that smokers harm those around them—children who inhale passive smoke, or the one-in-six babies born to mothers who smoked while pregnant.
Tobacco excise isn’t the only way of reducing smoking. Last week, I launched the inaugural State of Preventive Health report on behalf of Health Minister Tanya Plibersek. The report notes the importance of social marketing campaigns in encouraging smokers to quit, and plain packaging in helping make cigarettes less ‘cool’. But it also notes that price matters, and that taxation has helped play a role in helping people kick the habit.
Increasing tobacco excise won’t be uniformly popular. But this is a rare instance in which raising a tax has a social benefit – not a social cost.
Labor stopped taking tobacco donations nearly a decade ago, because we believed it was wrong in principle. Let’s hope the Coalition – which still accepts money from big tobacco – can kick the habit. Then perhaps they will support a measure that will raise revenue and save lives.
Andrew Leigh is the federal member for Fraser, and his website is www.andrewleigh.com.
The Sinodinos-Leigh Bet
Last night, the Young Economists (ACT) hosted a debate on economic policy between Senator Arthur Sinodinos and myself. I regard Arthur as a friend, and so the discussion was much more in the nature of good-natured jousting than angry sniping. Thanks to a bunch of great questions from the floor, we covered tax reform, the future of manufacturing, fostering entrepreneurship, and improving the quality of education for the most disadvantaged. Here's a podcast of the debate.
But it seemed like a chance to have some fun, so taking a leaf from Stephen Koukoulas's challenge to Joe Hockey (thus far unanswered), I challenged Arthur to a modest wager. In my view, Australia's economic fundamentals are now pretty good. I think they could well improve under a re-elected Labor government, but expect them to sour if the Coalition is elected. Needless to say, Arthur believes the opposite.
The wager focuses on three indicators:
If Labor is re-elected, I believe that a majority of these indicators will have improved by December 2014. Arthur believes that a majority of these indicators will have worsened.
If the Coalition is elected, I believe that a majority of these indicators will have worsened by December 2014. Arthur believes that a majority of these indicators will have improved.
The loser will donate $100 to a charity of their choosing (I nominated the Indigenous Reading Project).
Thanks to the Young Economists' Network (particularly Marcia Keegan) for organising the event.
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But it seemed like a chance to have some fun, so taking a leaf from Stephen Koukoulas's challenge to Joe Hockey (thus far unanswered), I challenged Arthur to a modest wager. In my view, Australia's economic fundamentals are now pretty good. I think they could well improve under a re-elected Labor government, but expect them to sour if the Coalition is elected. Needless to say, Arthur believes the opposite.
The wager focuses on three indicators:
- Annualised real GDP growth, most recently 2.5% (Mar 2013)
- Trend unemployment, most recently 5.7% (June 2013)
- Average variable mortgage interest rates, most recently 6.2%
If Labor is re-elected, I believe that a majority of these indicators will have improved by December 2014. Arthur believes that a majority of these indicators will have worsened.
If the Coalition is elected, I believe that a majority of these indicators will have worsened by December 2014. Arthur believes that a majority of these indicators will have improved.
The loser will donate $100 to a charity of their choosing (I nominated the Indigenous Reading Project).
Thanks to the Young Economists' Network (particularly Marcia Keegan) for organising the event.
Nation’s most powerful computer switched on at ANU
SENATOR THE HON KIM CARR
Minister for Innovation, Industry, Science and Research
Minister for Higher Education
THE HON DR ANDREW LEIGH MP
Member for Fraser
MEDIA RELEASE
31 July 2013
Nation’s most powerful computer switched on at ANU
Australia’s most powerful supercomputer, which also ranks as one of the largest in the world will enable scientists to gain new and valuable insights into issues of pressing national importance like climate change, water management and earth science.
Minister for Innovation, Industry, Science and Research, Senator Kim Carr launched the new facility in Canberra today with Member for Fraser Andrew Leigh. Labor has supported the extraordinary machine with a $50 million grant under the Super Science Initiative.
Australia’s newest and fastest supercomputer is the centre piece of the new National Computational Infrastructure (NCI) facility at the Australian National University.
According to researchers at the University, it can perform the same number of calculations in one hour that 7 billion people armed with calculators could perform in 20 years. It has a capacity comparable to around 30,000 ordinary laptop computers working together as a single system.
The supercomputer is the result of the close collaboration between the NCI and Fujitsu.
The NCI will provide scientists with a number-crunching power of quadrillions of operations per second, and data storage measured in petabytes - which is millions of Gigabytes. It also features a high capacity data storage and cloud computing systems in a purpose-built, state-of-the-art data centre.
Launching the facilities, Minister Carr said the solutions to the big problems faced by Australia depend on scientists having the advanced digital tools to carry out their ground breaking work.
“This leap in computing power will give our researchers insights and solutions to problems at a rate far quicker than previously possible,” Minister Carr said.
“It keeps Australia at the forefront of global innovation and opens up new horizons for science and research.
“This supercomputer demonstrates the Government’s ongoing commitment to providing collaborative world class infrastructure to improve research outcomes.”
Dr Leigh said the supercomputer was a national asset and one that would attract researchers from around the country and around the world.
“The amount of information available to researchers is rapidly increasing, and it takes a big computer to crunch big data. This supercomputer will allow researchers to solve problems that puzzle us today, and permit future teams of researchers to answer questions we haven’t even thought of yet,” Dr Leigh said.
Supported by the NCI partner agencies CSIRO, the Australian Bureau of Meteorology, Geoscience Australia, Intersect Australia and the Queensland Cyber Infrastructure Foundation, the NCI is a space for collaboration and a centre of supercomputing excellence that attracts scientists from around the world and the best and brightest in Australia.
National Dinosaur Museum and YMCA of Canberra win $161,093 Tourism Quality Funding
30 July 2013
NATIONAL DINOSAUR MUSEUM AND YMCA OF CANBERRA WIN $161,093 TOURISM QUALITY FUNDING
Federal Government tourism quality funding of $76,668 for the National Dinosaur Museum in Nicholls and $84,425 for the YMCA of Canberra was announced today by the Federal Member for Fraser, Dr Andrew Leigh.
Dr Leigh said the National Dinosaur Museum would benefit from new display cabinets and a new waterproof shaded decking area for visitors to rest and enjoy the environment.
“The YMCA of Canberra will also benefit from important redevelopment that involves the construction of additional accommodation rooms, some with ensuite facilities, new bathrooms and additional office space,” said Dr Leigh.
“I congratulate the National Dinosaur Museum and YMCA of Canberra for strongly demonstrating their commitment to improving the tourism experience and thereby winning funding from this highly-competitive grants program,” Dr Leigh said.
This project is one of 89 nationally to share in a total of $8.5 million in funding under the 2013 Round of the Federal Government’s Tourism Quality (T-QUAL) Grants.
Minister Assisting for Tourism, Senator Don Farrell, announced the successful recipients for the 2013 T-QUAL grants round on 26 July 2013 at the Adelaide Convention Centre.
Senator Farrell said Federal Government investment of $8.5 million in the 89 projects was expected to leverage a total investment of almost $27 million.
“Through this program, the Government continues to demonstrate its commitment to improving the quality, productivity, and capability of the $41 billion tourism sector,” he said.
“T-QUAL Grants provide great support to help tourism operators, many of whom are small businesses, attract more visitors by ensuring products and experiences remain fresh, of a high standard, and support local economies and communities.”
The four-year T-QUAL Grants program aims to stimulate sustainable economic growth in tourism and is an integral part of the Government’s Tourism 2020 strategy to double the value of overnight visitor expenditure by 2020.
In the 2013 round, South Australia, New South Wales, Queensland, and Western Australia each had 15 successful recipients, with 12 in Victoria, 10 in Tasmania, 5 in the Northern Territory and 2 in the ACT. Details of grant recipients are at www.ret.gov.au/tqual
$16 million for volunteers
MEDIA RELEASE
Senator the Hon Kate Lundy
Senator for the ACT
The Hon Andrew Leigh
Member for Fraser
26 JULY 2013
$16 MILLION FOR VOLUNTEERS
Community organisations in Fraser will share in $27,564 through the Australian Government’s 2013 Volunteer Grants program.
Senator for the ACT, the Hon Kate Lundy and Federal Member for Fraser, Dr Andrew Leigh, said nine organisations have been successful under the program and that the grants, which range between $1000 and $5000, will help volunteers meet the rising costs of running a not-for-profit organisation. The grants are:
- The Australian Capital Territory Blind Cricket Association for transport expenses;
- Another Chance Opportunity Shop for store supplies;
- Meals and Bread Program for food storage equipment;
- Ginninderra District Girl Guides for cooking and computer equipment;
- Lu Rees Archives of Australian Children’s Literature Association for computer equipment;
- Special Olympics ACT for office equipment;
- Diamantina Scout Group for kitchen and cooking equipment;
- Transplant ACT Committee for volunteer background screening checks; and
- UN Women Australia for computer equipment and training courses.
“The Rudd Labor Government recognises the invaluable contribution volunteers make to Australian society,” Dr Leigh said.
“They are the life-blood of our communities, but the increasing financial strains they are under makes it difficult for them to deliver the important services they provide to our community every day.
“Volunteers are our unsung heroes. They give up their free time, lend a helping hand and help build a stronger community.
“These grants will help community organisations to purchase much-needed equipment or as a contribution towards training courses, background checks and transport costs of volunteers with disability who are unable to drive,” Senator Lundy said.
“This is just one way the Rudd Labor Government can say thank you for the selfless work and commitment of Fraser’s volunteers.”
Through these grants, volunteers will be better equipped to assist those who are marginalised, disadvantaged or facing hardship remain connected to their community.
In Australia, more than six million people volunteer each year.
More information is available on the Department of Families, Housing, Community Services and Indigenous Affairs website at www.fahcsia.gov.au or by calling 1800 183 374
ABC24 Capital Hill - 29 July 2013
On 29 July, I spoke with host Lyndal Curtis and Liberal MP Craig Kelly about the fact that only Federal Labor has cut real spending (something that never happened under John Howard), why preventing asylum seekers coming by boat (and increasing the intake to 20,000) is the most compassionate response, and same-sex marriage.
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Launching Common Ground Canberra
JULIE COLLINS MP
Minister for Housing and Homelessness
ANDREW LEIGH MP
Member for Fraser
SHANE RATTENBURY
ACT Minister for Housing
MEDIA RELEASE
A $17 million boost to help tackle homelessness in Canberra
The Federal Labor Government and the ACT Government will invest almost $17 million of joint capital and recurrent funding to provide long-term, stable accommodation and support services to Canberrans who are homeless or at risk of homelessness.
Federal Minister for Housing and Homelessness Julie Collins and ACT Minister for Housing Shane Rattenbury announced the funding today during a visit to Our Place, a youth accommodation service in Canberra.
“I’m pleased that the ACT Government has signed up to the National Partnership Agreement on Homelessness for 2013-14 and is also receiving capital project funding through our $43 million Development Fund,” Ms Collins said.
“This joint funding injection will support seven existing homelessness services and build a new housing facility in Gungahlin for some of Canberra’s most vulnerable people.”
Mr Rattenbury said the funding would help provide affordable housing and critical pathways out of homelessness for Canberrans in need.
“Once completed in December 2014, the Gungahlin Common Ground facility will provide homes for 40 individuals and couples.
“The Common Ground model helps to break the cycle of homelessness by combining a safe, sustainable home, with the support services people need to get back on their feet in the long term.
“Support will be targeted to people’s needs to help them address some of the underlying issues that can cause homelessness, such as mental illness, substance abuse, family breakdown and unemployment.”
Federal Member for Fraser Andrew Leigh said he was very pleased the complex had got the green light.
"There are no more passionate campaigners for social justice than those who've pushed for Common Ground Canberra, and it's an honour to have worked with them over the past few years to finally make this happen," Mr Leigh said.
“Close to shops, public transport and community facilities, the new complex will house a mix of people who will receive support to ensure they can keep their homes and get their lives in order.”
Ms Collins said the Federal Labor Government remained steadfast in its commitment to halve the rate of homelessness and provide supported accommodation to all rough sleepers who seek it by 2020.
“Through the transitional $320 million National Partnership Agreement on Homelessness, we are working with the states and territories, businesses and community organisations to jointly reduce homelessness,” Ms Collins said.
“This will ensure critical services continue, as we work toward a longer-term response to homelessness.”
Since coming to office in 2007, the Federal Labor Government has invested a record $31 billion to help make housing more affordable and assist people to move out of homelessness.
29 JULY 2013
Sky AM Agenda - 29 July 2013
On 29 July, I spoke with host Kieran Gilbert and Liberal Senator Mitch Fifield to discuss the government's responsible economic management, the Opposition's refusal to submit policies for costing, and the whether opinion polls have any value.
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TOPICS: Budget challenges, Coalition costings, election date
Note: Due to time constraints, contributions from Mitch Fifield have not been transcribed.
Kieran Gilbert: This is AM Agenda, thanks very much for your company. With me now, Liberal frontbencher Senator Mitch Fifield and Labor MP, Andrew Leigh. Good morning to you both. Andrew, I want to start with you, with this pre-election economic statement. The cabinet meets today; Mr Bowen has reiterated the government’s commitment to return to surplus in 2016-17. If you are to do that, given the various reports about revenue write-downs, further revenue write-downs, even since the May budget, you really do have that balancing act between making cuts which could hurt growth and staying on that trajectory for a credible path to return to surplus.
Andrew Leigh: It’s a challenging time for the economy Kieran, you’re absolutely right about that, and we’re seeing the transition from that huge investment period in the mining boom which involved so many jobs in the construction phase, and now to a production phase where the amount of stuff we dig out of the ground and ship overseas will probably even go up, but the amount of jobs decreases because you’ve got a lot of the construction done. But with the dollar having come down a bit, that’s I think given manufacturers a bit of breathing space, and we’ll be looking to craft a set of policies that allow for that transition.
Kieran Gilbert: But in terms of making cuts so close to an election, that’s the difficult political balancing act here isn’t it?
Andrew Leigh: We’ll make responsible savings as we have in the past Kieran. I think you would have seen in the past things like means testing the private health insurance rebate, phasing out the old dependent spouse tax offset which paid people not to work…
Kieran Gilbert: The fringe benefits tax changes…
Andrew Leigh: I was just about to say the fringe benefit tax changes.
Kieran Gilbert: Which where there was quite a backlash is the point isn’t there?
Andrew Leigh: But I mean these are never easy decisions Kieran. I’ve just picked three that were opposed by the Coalition, but ultimately the reason that you make these savings is because we have to make sure that the tax system is serving people as well as it can, and a broadly based tax system makes sure we all pay our way. I just don’t think the FBT loophole was sustainable.
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Kieran Gilbert: Andrew Leigh, Joe Hockey told me on this program on Friday that the Coalition will provide fully costed policies. He has said that they’ve been in consultation with the budget, parliamentary budget office, state governments where necessary. They’ve had full consultation on their costings. He did raise some concerns about the government’s pre-election statement and the subsequent pre-election fiscal outlook from Treasury. That’s fair enough isn’t it, given that he has said, regardless, he will have fully costed, transparent policies out there well in time for the election?
Andrew Leigh: Kieran, I’ll believe it when I see it. I think this is absolutely vital that we have a discussion about our contested set of policies. You will see Labor’s in the budgets and in the budget updates, and you’ll see us making hard decisions. To put some facts in response to what Mitch said, we have managed to cut real government spending, something the Howard government never did. But you’ve also seen from the Coalition now, a backing away from an earlier promise to put out their policies when the Pre-Election Fiscal Outlook was released. That’s worrying because at the last election, we saw the Coalition just do costings based on a team of accountants who were later fined for professional misconduct. So, given the $11 billion hole in the Coalition’s costings last time, given that they themselves have said they’re $70 billion back, we know they have to put in place some pretty stringent cuts just to pay for their, for example, tax cuts to big miners and big polluters. So we need from the Coalition now, more than ever, a commitment to transparency, we need them to come clear with policies. We still don’t have a health policy or an education policy from the Coalition, and we need them to do a little bit less bashing of senior public servants and a little bit more creative policy making. Because frankly, policy is generally made best in the open light of public gaze, rather than in back rooms, and then thrown out at two minutes to the election.
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Kieran Gilbert: Andrew Leigh, I know that, and our viewers who watch this program regularly, would know that you don’t engage on the opinion polls. You never have throughout the years that you and I have discussed, you know, have been on this program, but you look at the polling in the last couple of days and Labor’s primary vote at 40. When does it become a predictable quantity in your view? Or do they not have any predictable worth at all?
Andrew Leigh: Kieran, you’d be completely right to slap me around the face with your iPad if the moment the polls started turning for Labor, I started saying you can believe them when I’d been saying the opposite previously.
Kieran Gilbert: No violence. There’s no violence on AM Agenda.
Andrew Leigh: Well that’s nice to hear. That’s good, but you know, I don’t rate the polls because I think they distract us from the sort of policy issues that Mitch and I care about a great deal. I do think if the Coalition’s keen on an early election, one way of advancing their cause would be to bring on their policies. If you want an early election, then bring out your health policy, bring out your education policy and bring your cuts out of witness protection.
Kieran Gilbert: Well I think both of you won’t have to wait too much longer on both those fronts, the election date or the policies. Andrew Leigh and Senator Fifield, thanks so much as always. Good to see you.
Andrew Leigh: Thanks Kieran, thanks Mitch.